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Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2013 12:51 pm?? ?Post subject:
This could be complicated, as I don't know what he's not liking... If he's legitimately worried you're going to get hurt, then it's totally different from if he's trying to take away something you like to do until you make what HE thinks is a better school record. As a somewhat successful adult in life and in business, I can say that my bodybuilding sport is part of my self esteem, and without it I would NOT do as well as I am doing. Therefore, if your mind works like mine does, your Dad should understand that not liking you do your sport, is in fact not wanting you to do better in studies after all . But on the other hand, if he is just concerned that you will get hurt, you might work to convince him that you are reading and studying about fitness and injury prevention, and remind him that people get hurt sometimes, no matter what they're doing, and that you are being careful so that the benefits of a good physical conditioning will outweigh the risk of injuries and bad self esteem from feeling out-of-shape...
Your dad may be sort of right on your squatting. If your form sucks you will blow some discs out. He'd probably not be as alarmed if you looked a bit better doing it. You've complained about back pain before from squatting, so maybe your form isn't all there. I know for me, I almost never felt any real issues after switching from parallel wide stanced powerlifting kinda squats to full depth Olympic lifter squats.
Like that. Much safer. You'll have to drop weight at first, but it's well worth it.
I think front squats are overall better/more important, though. If you do some front squatting ATG for a month or a couple weeks, the ATG back squat will come naturally.
Backsquats are almost always gonna have some element of a good morning in them, where you're lifting the weight with your back, whereas front squats don't allow that. So personally I'd take some time off and really work on the front squat, then go back to backsquats later.
As far as me and my dad, my dad at 31 years old had a 260lb clean and jerk at 218lbs, 170 snatch, 180 press, 300s front squat. I do believe I'll overtake him and do his lifts at a lighter bodyweight than him, but yeah. My dad's been more or less apathetic about my lifting, and doesn't wanna do it with me, he's older though, like 56. The only thing he didn't like about my training was I initially went with very low reps and high percentages of maxes, and he told me to use high reps as "you feel better." Now I know about how easy my CNS can get blown out, so now I'm a bit more moderate and generally train 5x5 type of thing. _________________ Keep sharpening your knife and it will blunt. Chase after money and security, and your heart will never unclench. Care about people's approval and you will be their prisoner. Do your work, then step back. The only path to serenity.
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muslimmetalhead Phoenix
Joined: Jul 30, 2011 Posts: 1037
Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2013 6:48 pm?? ?Post subject:
1000Knives wrote:
Your dad may be sort of right on your squatting. If your form sucks you will blow some discs out. He'd probably not be as alarmed if you looked a bit better doing it. You've complained about back pain before from squatting, so maybe your form isn't all there. I know for me, I almost never felt any real issues after switching from parallel wide stanced powerlifting kinda squats to full depth Olympic lifter squats.
Like that. Much safer. You'll have to drop weight at first, but it's well worth it.
I think front squats are overall better/more important, though. If you do some front squatting ATG for a month or a couple weeks, the ATG back squat will come naturally.
Backsquats are almost always gonna have some element of a good morning in them, where you're lifting the weight with your back, whereas front squats don't allow that. So personally I'd take some time off and really work on the front squat, then go back to backsquats later.
As far as me and my dad, my dad at 31 years old had a 260lb clean and jerk at 218lbs, 170 snatch, 180 press, 300s front squat. I do believe I'll overtake him and do his lifts at a lighter bodyweight than him, but yeah. My dad's been more or less apathetic about my lifting, and doesn't wanna do it with me, he's older though, like 56. The only thing he didn't like about my training was I initially went with very low reps and high percentages of maxes, and he told me to use high reps as "you feel better." Now I know about how easy my CNS can get blown out, so now I'm a bit more moderate and generally train 5x5 type of thing.
My dad was born last month in 1959, so hes 54
Also, I mean I see guys back squatting in the mid 1000s,even in high school lots of us get 500-some and I only freaking max out like early mid 200s, so I mean its not like i do too heavy weights.
And I only put like 5 more pounds yesterday after staying @170 for like half a year _________________ "I watched a change in you, It's like you never had wings, now you feel so alive"
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muslimmetalhead Phoenix
Joined: Jul 30, 2011 Posts: 1037
Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2013 6:57 pm?? ?Post subject:
kx250rider wrote:
This could be complicated, as I don't know what he's not liking... If he's legitimately worried you're going to get hurt, then it's totally different from if he's trying to take away something you like to do until you make what HE thinks is a better school record. As a somewhat successful adult in life and in business, I can say that my bodybuilding sport is part of my self esteem, and without it I would NOT do as well as I am doing. Therefore, if your mind works like mine does, your Dad should understand that not liking you do your sport, is in fact not wanting you to do better in studies after all . But on the other hand, if he is just concerned that you will get hurt, you might work to convince him that you are reading and studying about fitness and injury prevention, and remind him that people get hurt sometimes, no matter what they're doing, and that you are being careful so that the benefits of a good physical conditioning will outweigh the risk of injuries and bad self esteem from feeling out-of-shape...
Charles
Sir you make a good point, and I do read...but he is a physical therapist. _________________ "I watched a change in you, It's like you never had wings, now you feel so alive"
Uh, bro, those 1K squats are usually with suits on to increase the amount of weight you lift, and many are just barely parallel. Focus on ATG squatting. I think nobody in your high school has a legit depth 500 squat. I highly doubt that.
That's not nearly as impressive as something like this:
Half the weight, double as impressive in my mind.
Also, don't you weigh like 150? If you want guaranteed more weight on the bar, you gotta get more weight on you. Of course then you'll look crappier and might not be as good athletically, thus making your lifting useless. For some sports, extra mass is super helpful, like football. Just eat whatever the hell as long as you're full as hell, and go lift. Food is theoretically the most anabolic thing around.
Your dad is a PT? I actually got really good advice from my sister's PT. Good mobility exercises. He is to some degree right, but wrong. The point in exercise is forcing an adaptation to occur. However, you get injured when the adaptation doesn't happen. So you have to be smart about your adaptation. I believe focusing on the front squat is better, as it forces the ab muscles to get stronger, and that saves your back from taking the weight. Then for the back muscles focus on pulls and other back exercises to build the traps up to put the bar on the traps. _________________ Keep sharpening your knife and it will blunt. Chase after money and security, and your heart will never unclench. Care about people's approval and you will be their prisoner. Do your work, then step back. The only path to serenity.
. But on the other hand, if he is just concerned that you will get hurt, you might work to convince him that you are reading and studying about fitness and injury prevention, and remind him that people get hurt sometimes, no matter what they're doing, and that you are being careful so that the benefits of a good physical conditioning will outweigh the risk of injuries and bad self esteem from feeling out-of-shape...
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